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[bbyrd009]

nah, i just only said that bc you are such a gnostic lol, with the statements of fact and all

So what’s your definition of a “gnostic”?

well, those who make statements of fact? I know this, i know that?

He who says that he knows any thing does not yet know it as he ought

Your definition is somewhat skewed. Gnostics were a sect of early Christians who believed true knowledge came from rejecting the physical, material world believing it is all evil, and emphasizing the spiritual world. Gnostics did not believe Jesus came in the flesh nor did they believe Jesus actually died on the cross.

I am not a gnostic at all.

ok

I do not reject the fact that Jesus came in the flesh and He died.

bc under the law nearly every sin requires blood, huh

Have you rejected the fact that no son of man may die for another’s sins tho, see.
Esau was the eater of Red Stew, to put it OT

Neither do I believe everything material is evil. Now, I do not claim to know everything. But I do know Jesus said He was coming back,

without ever saying that He was returning, yes; which i totally agree with btw. Its like lighting flashing, and the clouds! dont get me started on the clouds. anyway they clear, and…only Yah knows when tho…lol

i wish you the best in your wait for Jesus to return, ok? so dont get me wrong

and I know Hell is a place of eternal torment.

certainly. quite well expressed in Abaddon, Apollyon, and Tartarus. Gehenna, not so much. Calling someone a fool results in hellfire right away see, right here on earth, where Gehenna is. It is simply that you cannot document your concept of hel, except for spirits, since all of the related vv use Gehenna, except for those few that use one of the other three. There’s maybe one (unwitnessed iow) ref to a person maybe going? Furthermore the Father judges no one…and just too much evidence against, i suspect.

But again, enjoy your sacrifice for as long as you may, ok; commit as many to hel as you may. If you know that hel is a place of eternal torment (for others implied right) then i am ok working with that, although i would suggest marinating on He who digs a pit for others to fall into ends up in it himself a little more; doesnt even make literal sense, does it

Would it be fair to call you a nonbeliever if you call me a gnostic?

hmm well i believe that we cant really imagine what is in store…so i dunno. Um see by “beliefs, believer” one is implied who as it turns out usually holds to what turn out to be Absolute Truths, “I know Jesus is this, I know hell is that,” those are more or less unshakable, right

even tho you cant Quote either one once, iow
im just sayin

 

[Scooter]

Have you rejected the fact that no son of man may die for another’s sins tho, see.

I believe you are referring to Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Jesus did not die for His Father's iniquity because there is no sin, iniquity or transgression in God. However, there is plenty of sin in mankind. Jesus died for our sins. He became our sacrifice. As John says it, Jesus became the propitiation for our sins. So do you reject the fact that Jesus died for your sins?

 

[bbyrd009]

Have you rejected the fact that no son of man may die for another’s sins tho, see.

I believe you are referring to Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

its in a couple other spots too i guess

Jesus did not die for His Father's iniquity because there is no sin, iniquity or transgression in God. However, there is plenty of sin in mankind. Jesus died for our sins. He became our sacrifice. As John says it, Jesus became the propitiation for our sins. So do you reject the fact that Jesus died for your sins?

Well, thats another one that cant quite be Quoted i guess; i believe Christ died for our sins tho, yes. And also that no son of man may die for another’s sins.

 

[Scooter]

Well, thats another one that cant quite be Quoted i guess; i believe Christ died for our sins tho, yes. And also that no son of man may die for another’s sins.

Of course it can be quoted (Rom.5:8). I can die for another man’s sin as well. However, my death would not be accepted by God because my sacrifice would not be perfect.

 

[bbyrd009]

Well, thats another one that cant quite be Quoted i guess; i believe Christ died for our sins tho, yes. And also that no son of man may die for another’s sins.

Of course it can be quoted (Rom.5:8). I can die for another man’s sin as well. However, my death would not be accepted by God because my sacrifice would not be perfect.

You might seek the vv that detail Yah needing a perfect sacrifice, that should be in there right

 

[Scooter]

You might seek the vv that detail Yah needing a perfect sacrifice, that should be in there right

Are you referring to the Bible as vv? If so, yes the requirements for the Passover sacrifice was it had to be without blemish. Jesus, the Lamb of God was perfectly without blemish. And of course, Jesus is our Passover sacrifice.

 

[bbyrd009]

You might seek the vv that detail Yah needing a perfect sacrifice, that should be in there right

Are you referring to the Bible as vv?

the plural of “verse,” ya

If so, yes the requirements for the Passover sacrifice was it had to be without blemish. Jesus, the Lamb of God was perfectly without blemish. And of course, Jesus is our Passover sacrifice.

Well, you dipped back into the OT for that tho see, the dispensation of law, given to prove its inadequacy, right? So yes, Under the law nearly every sin requires blood (red stew), true enough. But of course you have made some connections (or well, someone did anyway) without really answering the q, see

Which i am ok with, ok? Bc freed from the law is a dangerous thing lol, and i have no desire any longer to be dragging ppl to cliffs and throwing them off ok, only dont you think there would be some passages about how Yah needs this perfect sacrifice? One passage, even? Where is it? See bc in between your ref there and Jesus i can Quote quite a bit of I detest your sacrifices see

 

[bbyrd009]

Fwiw, in general, it is the “of courses” that are the killers, ok; not that im ezackly spitting any amazing revelations there.

We seek “of courses” as humans; we want irrefutable facts, that we can hold as Absolute Truths. But the Bible is virtually a collection of contradictions, so much so that atheists point to them as mistakes, and we even have websites detailing them. Which btw i love; you can learn more about the Bible in one day there than practically anywhere else imo, by working out an apparent contradiction

 

[Scooter]

But the Bible is virtually a collection of contradictions, so much so that atheists point to them as mistakes, and we even have websites detailing them.

Tell you what, I’ll start a thread on supposed contradictions in the Bible and you can post all the contradictions you think are in the Bible, and I will answer every one of them. You game?

 

[Scooter]

Well, you dipped back into the OT for that tho see, the dispensation of law, given to prove its inadequacy, right? So yes, Under the law nearly every sin requires blood (red stew), true enough. But of course you have made some connections (or well, someone did anyway) without really answering the q, see

Which i am ok with, ok? Bc freed from the law is a dangerous thing lol, and i have no desire any longer to be dragging ppl to cliffs and throwing them off ok, only dont you think there would be some passages about how Yah needs this perfect sacrifice? One passage, even? Where is it? See bc in between your ref there and Jesus i can Quote quite a bit of I detest your sacrifices see

It's not a matter of God "needing" a perfect sacrifice, but of God requiring a perfect sacrifice. The reason is because God is perfect and will only accept a perfect sacrifice. Jesus lived during the dispensation of law so He fulfilled the law by being the perfect Passover sacrifice. SO whether in the OT or the NT, the Law was still in effect when Jesus died for our sins.